Comments on: Suharto seen from Different Angles of Perspective http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/ Four seasons in one day, two countries in one heart Fri, 04 May 2012 19:22:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BobDobbs http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-245 BobDobbs Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:54:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-245 This is a great post. We at Toxic Culture greatly appreciate the link and your comment. It is interesting. To what do you attribute this split between American (and western) demonization of Suharto and a more reverent Indonesian response? To me, it could be an American knee-jerk response to paint other leaders as "backwards dictators," but since I was careful to note America's culpability in Suharto's horrors, is it also possible that Indonesian response has been more favorable to the memory of his regime since there are still pro-Suharto forces in positions of power there? I certainly didn't feel any pressure to temper my memory of the man, and thus was quite harsh in my post. As I noted in my post, he was a superstitious despot and it's hard to see the favorable spin on that. I'd love to debate someone on the upside of American IMET aid to Indonesia or the effects of Freeport's mining operations. This is a great post. We at Toxic Culture greatly appreciate the link and your comment. It is interesting. To what do you attribute this split between American (and western) demonization of Suharto and a more reverent Indonesian response? To me, it could be an American knee-jerk response to paint other leaders as “backwards dictators,” but since I was careful to note America’s culpability in Suharto’s horrors, is it also possible that Indonesian response has been more favorable to the memory of his regime since there are still pro-Suharto forces in positions of power there? I certainly didn’t feel any pressure to temper my memory of the man, and thus was quite harsh in my post. As I noted in my post, he was a superstitious despot and it’s hard to see the favorable spin on that. I’d love to debate someone on the upside of American IMET aid to Indonesia or the effects of Freeport’s mining operations.

]]> By: KEMENTERIAN DESAIN INDONESIA http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-244 KEMENTERIAN DESAIN INDONESIA Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:53:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-244 numpang sidak :) numpang sidak :)

]]> By: Andie Summerkiss http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-243 Andie Summerkiss Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:11:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-243 Nothing serious happens yet. But there are a lot of talks on the following indictments of the rest of the family and the question where they hid the <i>loot</i>. <br/><br/>I personally glad that it's kind of over, but of course it is not really over. The nastiest is around the corner, but I hope I am wrong. Nothing serious happens yet. But there are a lot of talks on the following indictments of the rest of the family and the question where they hid the loot.

I personally glad that it’s kind of over, but of course it is not really over. The nastiest is around the corner, but I hope I am wrong.

]]> By: oscarz http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-242 oscarz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:57:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-242 Indonesia needs either bad boy/good boy to be a leader especially who runs the country. So our nation will be strong. Istilahnya banyak makan asam garam. Democratic or authoritarian. We have a great example for that. May Soeharto represent the authoritarian style on the other hand, May Megawati or SBY represent the democratic style, and others could represent the combination. From them, we can learn what we need for this country. Soeharto has died, i'm respect him as the smiling general who great as decision maker but also i want justice for everyone. The trial should be resumed even for the civil one. This was missed by a decade of reformation regimes. Hopefully, there'll be an answer for what Soeharto did in the past. So Indonesia can continue its journey in calmness and will heritage the next generation with true history also good hope/dream to build the country.<br/><br/>Dream Project<br/>-----------------<br/>CuriousZone dot|INFO Indonesia needs either bad boy/good boy to be a leader especially who runs the country. So our nation will be strong. Istilahnya banyak makan asam garam. Democratic or authoritarian. We have a great example for that. May Soeharto represent the authoritarian style on the other hand, May Megawati or SBY represent the democratic style, and others could represent the combination. From them, we can learn what we need for this country. Soeharto has died, i’m respect him as the smiling general who great as decision maker but also i want justice for everyone. The trial should be resumed even for the civil one. This was missed by a decade of reformation regimes. Hopefully, there’ll be an answer for what Soeharto did in the past. So Indonesia can continue its journey in calmness and will heritage the next generation with true history also good hope/dream to build the country.

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]]> By: johnorford http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-241 johnorford Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:06:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-241 i feel that indonesia needs less "great" strong leaders. sukarno was also great, strong but also a disaster.<br/><br/>indonesians seem to be in love with those types... george bush for next indonesian pres!! :):)<br/><br/>pity they're not in love with nelson mandela or pen pushers like alex hammond or bertie ahern... i feel that indonesia needs less “great” strong leaders. sukarno was also great, strong but also a disaster.

indonesians seem to be in love with those types… george bush for next indonesian pres!! :) :)

pity they’re not in love with nelson mandela or pen pushers like alex hammond or bertie ahern…

]]> By: aroengbinang http://finally-woken.com/2008/01/suharto-seen-from-different-angles-of-perspective/#comment-240 aroengbinang Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:51:00 +0000 http://finally-woken.com/?p=90#comment-240 Indonesia mourns, but life goes on, and the country will continue its journey, wherever it is. <br/>Pak Harto will certainly be remembered as one of the great leaders, and no great leaders are free from gross weaknesses.<br/>It's not that Indonesians forgive him too easily, it is that many Indonesians acknolwedge his great contributions to the country, amids his weaknesses, while a few others just painted him in black color, and hence critizing heavily on his weaknesses only, but no huge weaknesses exist in a person without great strengths. Indonesia mourns, but life goes on, and the country will continue its journey, wherever it is.
Pak Harto will certainly be remembered as one of the great leaders, and no great leaders are free from gross weaknesses.
It’s not that Indonesians forgive him too easily, it is that many Indonesians acknolwedge his great contributions to the country, amids his weaknesses, while a few others just painted him in black color, and hence critizing heavily on his weaknesses only, but no huge weaknesses exist in a person without great strengths.

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