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		<title>By: Finally Woken</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1069</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally Woken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: salam kenal juga. If you see the comments above, surprisingly, none of them, Muslim or not, agree with the government&#039;s decision every year to close down entertainment venues! So why do they still insist on applying such stupid rule? For whose benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: salam kenal juga. If you see the comments above, surprisingly, none of them, Muslim or not, agree with the government&#8217;s decision every year to close down entertainment venues! So why do they still insist on applying such stupid rule? For whose benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: michaeljubel</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>michaeljubel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, nice and well-written post. and it came from a Muslim, which is pretty important in sensitive issues like this. I totally agree with you, at all. but I just couldn&#039;t find a way to write such opinions because I myself is a Christian, so it&#039;ll be a bit objectionable if I say things like those. Hehehe..


salam kenall..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, nice and well-written post. and it came from a Muslim, which is pretty important in sensitive issues like this. I totally agree with you, at all. but I just couldn&#8217;t find a way to write such opinions because I myself is a Christian, so it&#8217;ll be a bit objectionable if I say things like those. Hehehe..</p>
<p>salam kenall..</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FW...

Bulan Puasa is always an interesting time of the year for all concerned. The alcohol in coffee mugs or plastic cups in some places, the reduced service hours at entertainment venues, and the like.

I always used to say sorry before eating and drinking in front of anyone during the fast hours. I do not do that anymore in the office. I guess my reasoning is that I have nothing to be sorry or apologetic for. I am not a Muslim and I am not breaking any rules religious or otherwise it I eat or drink (not yet anyway). For me respect is a two-way street; I respect your need to fast and you (not personal you but general you) respect the fact that I have no obligation to fast. Perhaps I am getting less tolerant in my old age for the niceties of &quot;maaf, makan&quot;.

BTW...the inclusion of the Happy Ending link was a nice touch during Ramadan. :D

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Robs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/therabexperience/~3/401065538/perception-and-reality.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Perception and Reality&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FW&#8230;</p>
<p>Bulan Puasa is always an interesting time of the year for all concerned. The alcohol in coffee mugs or plastic cups in some places, the reduced service hours at entertainment venues, and the like.</p>
<p>I always used to say sorry before eating and drinking in front of anyone during the fast hours. I do not do that anymore in the office. I guess my reasoning is that I have nothing to be sorry or apologetic for. I am not a Muslim and I am not breaking any rules religious or otherwise it I eat or drink (not yet anyway). For me respect is a two-way street; I respect your need to fast and you (not personal you but general you) respect the fact that I have no obligation to fast. Perhaps I am getting less tolerant in my old age for the niceties of &#8220;maaf, makan&#8221;.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;the inclusion of the Happy Ending link was a nice touch during Ramadan. <img src='http://finally-woken.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Robs last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/therabexperience/~3/401065538/perception-and-reality.html" rel="nofollow">Perception and Reality</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Finally Woken</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally Woken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Therry, thanks for the compliment. Maybe I should send this to JP :)

Mr. Scotch, thanks for visiting, does your pesudo refer to your favorite drink or that you&#039;re a Scotsman? Just wonder :)

Mrs. Top Monkey, exactly, we know people eat behind the curtain, sometimes we can even smell the meal so why need to block our vision if our mental state already say &quot;hmmm, I can smell nasi goreng.... maybe that&#039;s what I&#039;m going to have for tonight&quot;....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therry, thanks for the compliment. Maybe I should send this to JP <img src='http://finally-woken.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mr. Scotch, thanks for visiting, does your pesudo refer to your favorite drink or that you&#8217;re a Scotsman? Just wonder <img src='http://finally-woken.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mrs. Top Monkey, exactly, we know people eat behind the curtain, sometimes we can even smell the meal so why need to block our vision if our mental state already say &#8220;hmmm, I can smell nasi goreng&#8230;. maybe that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to have for tonight&#8221;&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Top Monkey</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Top Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Brought up in Malaysia with its majority Muslim population, I tend to not eat before Muslims if I can during Ramadhan and I always apologise for eating/drinking in front of them if I have to.  But I have to say each time this happens, they will always tell me cheerfully, &quot;No, go ahead. It is we who are fasting, not you and besides, it is our responsibility to ensure we do not give in to temptation, not yours.&quot;

What is the point of all this pretense of closing the shops when we all know that behind the curtains, business goes on as usual?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mrs Top Monkeys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://expatwifetalks.blogspot.com/2008/09/little-monkey-is-33-weeks-old-in-me.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Little Monkey is 33 weeks old in me!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Brought up in Malaysia with its majority Muslim population, I tend to not eat before Muslims if I can during Ramadhan and I always apologise for eating/drinking in front of them if I have to.  But I have to say each time this happens, they will always tell me cheerfully, &#8220;No, go ahead. It is we who are fasting, not you and besides, it is our responsibility to ensure we do not give in to temptation, not yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the point of all this pretense of closing the shops when we all know that behind the curtains, business goes on as usual?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mrs Top Monkeys last blog post..<a href="http://expatwifetalks.blogspot.com/2008/09/little-monkey-is-33-weeks-old-in-me.html" rel="nofollow">Little Monkey is 33 weeks old in me!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Scotch</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Scotch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is a self-discipline practice. They should have not banned public places from doing their business, it will bruise the less-fortunate workers economy.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mr. Scotchs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://indonesiaprattler.blogspot.com/2008/09/looking-nomad.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Looking Nomad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is a self-discipline practice. They should have not banned public places from doing their business, it will bruise the less-fortunate workers economy.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mr. Scotchs last blog post..<a href="http://indonesiaprattler.blogspot.com/2008/09/looking-nomad.html" rel="nofollow">A Looking Nomad</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: therry</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>therry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Anita! And no, you didn&#039;t make me work too much, if it&#039;s anything, it&#039;s people like you who make me feel that there is still kindness and beauty in this world. The relationships that people have with their beliefs are private, it is true, and whatever goes on between them are not for public consumption.

You should send this article to Jakarta Post, it is a great piece :) It deserves to be read by as many people as possible. You can influence them with your positive attitude.

PS:
I&#039;m more amazed that the Catholic school you went to actually allowed the students to smoke!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Anita! And no, you didn&#8217;t make me work too much, if it&#8217;s anything, it&#8217;s people like you who make me feel that there is still kindness and beauty in this world. The relationships that people have with their beliefs are private, it is true, and whatever goes on between them are not for public consumption.</p>
<p>You should send this article to Jakarta Post, it is a great piece <img src='http://finally-woken.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It deserves to be read by as many people as possible. You can influence them with your positive attitude.</p>
<p>PS:<br />
I&#8217;m more amazed that the Catholic school you went to actually allowed the students to smoke!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Finally Woken</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally Woken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Beautiful Disaster: I believe lots of us feel that way. Sadly we are overshadowed by self-righteous people who think they&#039;re holier than everybody else. It&#039;s a long way to go but hopefully someday we&#039;ll get to the ideal tolerance community.

@Tere616: exactly. Why we should feel &#039;holier&#039; than others just because we&#039;re fasting? What we have with our God is a private relationship no one could interfere let alone be a judge. I just read in detik.com a high school student was beaten by &#039;santri&#039; because they found him not fasting that day. Now how come their act was justified? They failed to practice the essence of fasting - yet thought they did a right thing. Weird.

@Santi: how embarrassing and self-centered that man was. Sadly Indonesia has successfully raised so many narrow-minded people like him.

@Diny: yes, when I was in Sydney I was working through out the summer in the ice cream shop whilst still fasting. Everybody was concerned and thought I might die of dehydration but I still managed though, even though I was selling thousands of ice creams to thirsty customers. It&#039;s about self-discipline, and you&#039;re right, we don&#039;t need our government to babysit us!

@Lorraine: yes, the pubs must serve alcohol in tea cups otherwise &quot;religious&quot; groups like FPI will knock on their doors. And it is about survival rather than hypocrite. Entertainment venues have to pay yearly bonus plus staffs&#039; salaries, how do we expect them to do so if we demand them to close their business for the whole month?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Beautiful Disaster: I believe lots of us feel that way. Sadly we are overshadowed by self-righteous people who think they&#8217;re holier than everybody else. It&#8217;s a long way to go but hopefully someday we&#8217;ll get to the ideal tolerance community.</p>
<p>@Tere616: exactly. Why we should feel &#8216;holier&#8217; than others just because we&#8217;re fasting? What we have with our God is a private relationship no one could interfere let alone be a judge. I just read in detik.com a high school student was beaten by &#8216;santri&#8217; because they found him not fasting that day. Now how come their act was justified? They failed to practice the essence of fasting &#8211; yet thought they did a right thing. Weird.</p>
<p>@Santi: how embarrassing and self-centered that man was. Sadly Indonesia has successfully raised so many narrow-minded people like him.</p>
<p>@Diny: yes, when I was in Sydney I was working through out the summer in the ice cream shop whilst still fasting. Everybody was concerned and thought I might die of dehydration but I still managed though, even though I was selling thousands of ice creams to thirsty customers. It&#8217;s about self-discipline, and you&#8217;re right, we don&#8217;t need our government to babysit us!</p>
<p>@Lorraine: yes, the pubs must serve alcohol in tea cups otherwise &#8220;religious&#8221; groups like FPI will knock on their doors. And it is about survival rather than hypocrite. Entertainment venues have to pay yearly bonus plus staffs&#8217; salaries, how do we expect them to do so if we demand them to close their business for the whole month?</p>
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		<title>By: Lorraine</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Alcohol is served in tea cups&#039;, really? How hypocrite!!!!

Now that there are more and more moslem immigrants living in west Europe, they tend to force some tolerance (behaviour) towards fasting from their host countries  like an example described by Santi above. Grown up in Indonesia, I&#039;m used not to eat and drink in front of my moslems friends during the ramadan. But try to explain this to people who don&#039;t have any clue about fasting...

Some immigrants in NL have even gone much further by insisting the Idul Fitri as a public holiday (FYI, Good Friday, the Friday before Easter Week End is not a  public holiday anymore in NL). In some cultures Idul Fitri is celebrated in three days.

This is a very nice attempt of yours to open a dialog between moslems - non moslems, two thumbs up for you Nit!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lorraines last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lorraineakayoyen.blogspot.com/2008/09/prinsjesdag-2008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prinsjesdag 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Alcohol is served in tea cups&#8217;, really? How hypocrite!!!!</p>
<p>Now that there are more and more moslem immigrants living in west Europe, they tend to force some tolerance (behaviour) towards fasting from their host countries  like an example described by Santi above. Grown up in Indonesia, I&#8217;m used not to eat and drink in front of my moslems friends during the ramadan. But try to explain this to people who don&#8217;t have any clue about fasting&#8230;</p>
<p>Some immigrants in NL have even gone much further by insisting the Idul Fitri as a public holiday (FYI, Good Friday, the Friday before Easter Week End is not a  public holiday anymore in NL). In some cultures Idul Fitri is celebrated in three days.</p>
<p>This is a very nice attempt of yours to open a dialog between moslems &#8211; non moslems, two thumbs up for you Nit!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Lorraines last blog post..<a href="http://lorraineakayoyen.blogspot.com/2008/09/prinsjesdag-2008.html" rel="nofollow">Prinsjesdag 2008</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Diny</title>
		<link>http://finally-woken.com/2008/09/we-are-fasting-so/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Diny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>santi, how true. being the majority, they certainly feel like telling everybody else what to do. but then again, let&#039;s take anita and ecky for example. if moslem themselves feel okay to keep on fasting and allowing people to continue eating, drinking, and/or smoking in front of them, then why should our government babying this country by banishing people&#039;s business? maybe they should not closing the restaurants/clubs as an exercise for the moslems to be &#039;tougher&#039;, he he he.
back then when i was still practicing the religion, i had a part time job at kem chick, and had to deal with selling food for &#039;buka puasa&#039;. i was still able to fast even though i have food in front of me all the time, and customers asked for food samples, etc.
if we want our country to be stronger/tougher, let&#039;s not babying its people for silly reason like &#039;toleransi&#039;. bah.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dinys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://accordingtod.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/door-to-door-religion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Door-to-door Religion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>santi, how true. being the majority, they certainly feel like telling everybody else what to do. but then again, let&#8217;s take anita and ecky for example. if moslem themselves feel okay to keep on fasting and allowing people to continue eating, drinking, and/or smoking in front of them, then why should our government babying this country by banishing people&#8217;s business? maybe they should not closing the restaurants/clubs as an exercise for the moslems to be &#8216;tougher&#8217;, he he he.<br />
back then when i was still practicing the religion, i had a part time job at kem chick, and had to deal with selling food for &#8216;buka puasa&#8217;. i was still able to fast even though i have food in front of me all the time, and customers asked for food samples, etc.<br />
if we want our country to be stronger/tougher, let&#8217;s not babying its people for silly reason like &#8216;toleransi&#8217;. bah.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Dinys last blog post..<a href="http://accordingtod.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/door-to-door-religion/" rel="nofollow">Door-to-door Religion</a></em></abbr></p>
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